First (informal/solo) troop, feedback

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First (informal/solo) troop, feedback

Post by sussexrebel » Tue Dec 04, 2018 9:41 am

Hi all, just finished my Endor commando costume for the "for the love of sci fi" con. Here's a couple of photos, looking for refinements and feedback.

Building/sourcing a blaster next, any advice appreciated.

Thanks, Tom.ImageImageImage

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Re: First (informal/solo) troop, feedback

Post by StephenDutton » Tue Dec 04, 2018 10:37 am

Are there any laces on your gaiters? These should be to the front.
Do you have a preference for what sort of blaster you want to add? The standards offer a good choice of E-11, DH-17 or A-280 (Endor version).

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Re: First (informal/solo) troop, feedback

Post by BigFatCat » Tue Dec 04, 2018 11:41 am

At first look, it's a very good baseline you have to work off there. Some parts look great but there are some points that I'd pick up on.

As always, be familiar with the published standards and their interpretation: http://newsite.rebellegion.com/endor-co ... r-trooper/

Please don't hesitate to ask if you have any questions or need anything explaining or illustrating, I'm happy to help wherever I can.

You donut looks good, presuming you have stripes or vents on the back. The duckbill/peak on the flight cap might look a bit big but it's not easy to judge with a frontal aspect only.
I like the bandolier, I'd like to think that won't be an issue, plus it is optional but I think it adds to the overall look.
Gloves and boots seem good, I think the boots have the toe cover and they can both be weathered a bit if you wish.
I can't see a belt with pouches, they're required. I used olive drab 58 pattern stuff that's easy to pick up.
The gaiters seem a decent shape, but we can't see the lacing. I think we've touched on the 5-8 eyelets previously but they look a bit grey and not tan. Is that the lighting? There are references with laces on the front or back of the gaiters. Dressing on set wasn't uniform but in general we do lace to the front.
The undershirt looks fine, if it's long sleeved, even if they're never seen.
You've gone for a soft pack, which seems olive. We mostly have Czech ones that are more khaki than olive, with an arc of pond hose. This is an optional item again and the standard isn't definitive about colour.
A blaster is a required item. E-11s are probably easiest to get, resin ones are heavy to carry all day and are brittle but look best. There are toy conversions available of those that are much lighter and look OK. I by far prefer the A280 for the ERT though, I made one from PVC pipe, styrene sheet and a BB M16 receiver. 3d printed E-11s or DH-17s are worth looking into otherwise.

My biggest comment is the camo, it's a bit of an artform but really makes the costume recognisable. It's essentially 5 greens on a tan base in blobs. I would say yours looks a little uniform and green. If you look at these references you can see what I'm trying to illustrate:

https://studiocreations.com/howto/endor ... dolier.jpg

Image

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Over time, we've developed a list of the colours that work for this and are available in the UK so we look do look similar if we are together in a group.

Overall, I think you're off to a great start with some of the tricky parts well covered. Good work there.
Happiness is a warm A280. Or A300. Even a Glie-44 at a pinch.

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Re: First (informal/solo) troop, feedback

Post by sussexrebel » Fri Dec 07, 2018 4:06 pm

StephenDutton wrote:
Tue Dec 04, 2018 10:37 am
Are there any laces on your gaiters? These should be to the front.
Do you have a preference for what sort of blaster you want to add? The standards offer a good choice of E-11, DH-17 or A-280 (Endor version).
Thanks for the feedback, I have an E-11 blaster at the moment (in my pack in the photos). Once the costume is completed I will be looking to build an A-280 (endor version).

The gaiters have six brass eyelets with green paracord laces (at the rear in these photos though). Noted, at the front next time.

Thanks!

Tom.

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Re: First (informal/solo) troop, feedback

Post by sussexrebel » Fri Dec 07, 2018 4:23 pm

BigFatCat wrote:
Tue Dec 04, 2018 11:41 am
At first look, it's a very good baseline you have to work off there. Some parts look great but there are some points that I'd pick up on.

As always, be familiar with the published standards and their interpretation: http://newsite.rebellegion.com/endor-co ... r-trooper/

Please don't hesitate to ask if you have any questions or need anything explaining or illustrating, I'm happy to help wherever I can.

You donut looks good, presuming you have stripes or vents on the back. The duckbill/peak on the flight cap might look a bit big but it's not easy to judge with a frontal aspect only.
I like the bandolier, I'd like to think that won't be an issue, plus it is optional but I think it adds to the overall look.
Gloves and boots seem good, I think the boots have the toe cover and they can both be weathered a bit if you wish.
I can't see a belt with pouches, they're required. I used olive drab 58 pattern stuff that's easy to pick up.
The gaiters seem a decent shape, but we can't see the lacing. I think we've touched on the 5-8 eyelets previously but they look a bit grey and not tan. Is that the lighting? There are references with laces on the front or back of the gaiters. Dressing on set wasn't uniform but in general we do lace to the front.
The undershirt looks fine, if it's long sleeved, even if they're never seen.
You've gone for a soft pack, which seems olive. We mostly have Czech ones that are more khaki than olive, with an arc of pond hose. This is an optional item again and the standard isn't definitive about colour.
A blaster is a required item. E-11s are probably easiest to get, resin ones are heavy to carry all day and are brittle but look best. There are toy conversions available of those that are much lighter and look OK. I by far prefer the A280 for the ERT though, I made one from PVC pipe, styrene sheet and a BB M16 receiver. 3d printed E-11s or DH-17s are worth looking into otherwise.

My biggest comment is the camo, it's a bit of an artform but really makes the costume recognisable. It's essentially 5 greens on a tan base in blobs. I would say yours looks a little uniform and green. If you look at these references you can see what I'm trying to illustrate:

https://studiocreations.com/howto/endor ... dolier.jpg

Image

Image

Over time, we've developed a list of the colours that work for this and are available in the UK so we look do look similar if we are together in a group.

Overall, I think you're off to a great start with some of the tricky parts well covered. Good work there.
Thanks for the feedback!
Pleased with my first attempt and looking forward to refinement!

The doughnut was from Ross at RWA so very happy with it, it has vents on the rear cut out of matt black vinyl and stuck on.
The softcap and peak came from 20eyesdesign on etsy, it came late so I didn't have too much time on it but I would agree, I think the peak is a little large. Ross included a plastic formed peak with the doughnut kit which is a little smaller so I think I will cover and use that.

Boots are rubber toe, Israeli type, both the gloves and boots had a little weathering but could definitely do with some more.

I have an olive belt on with a couple of US ammo pouches on. I am very pleased with the bandolier, its made of material to measurements listed on the studio creations guide and the greebs themselves are from TK560.

The gaiters were made out of surplus tan/khaki material, but are on the lighter side. I will get some daylight photos sorted for colour clarification

Undershirt as you say, I think looks ok, its military issue and long sleeved.

The pack is a Czech soft pack, hose fitted but no other greebs on the buckles as yet. It needed a wash when I got it but lost some of its colour in the process so I dyed it olive, which turned out to be quite dark. I might give it another wash and see if it will lighten up.

The trench coat and trousers did end up quite green, both the trousers and coat were quite a light khaki to begin with so perhaps doesn't show up as much and the green dominates? I know the list of colours originally used are all shades of green but has anyone ever added detail with a khaki spray to compensate or am I better off starting again? The trousers wont be an issue but the coat was a pain to make as I'm quite tall, if so I might consider a snow jacket style instead?

Thanks for the fedback so far, I will get some detailed photos of it all laid out and in natural light for better clarifcation of colours.

Tom.

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Re: First (informal/solo) troop, feedback

Post by sussexrebel » Fri Dec 07, 2018 4:26 pm

PS... do you have that list of colours available in the UK? I roughly colour matched with Halfords sprays.

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Re: First (informal/solo) troop, feedback

Post by BigFatCat » Fri Dec 07, 2018 7:31 pm

The colours can that work are:

Base: Dylon Sandy beige. Pebble beige is a bit too much caramel. A decent amount of this base colour should be visible, if you compare to the reference pics, 25-30% sometimes.

Blobs of colours are:

Main colour: Oasis Floral Basil. Lighter olive in the pics.
Secondary colour: Oasis Floral Moss. Dark olive in the pics.

Heavy and light coverage gives a variation in both these colours.

Third level colours: Oasis Floral Hunter Green and Holiday Green in occasional patches.
Small accents: Oasis Floral Lime Green

The front and back shots of the duster show how the Basil and Moss form the base of the pattern. You might be able to wash the bulk of the colour out of the duster but getting a cheap Swedish snow jacket is also a clearable option. That gives you time to look at the duster if it can be bleached or solvent cleaned.
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